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« on: September 29, 2009, 05:00:31 PM »

What's the best way to clean out rust out of a gas tank? My previous solution was to replace the tank, but the tank I need to do was misrepresented on ebay and I got it with a rusty inside.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 06:14:02 PM »

I’ve done that on about a dozen tanks; some real bad, some not so bad. What tank has the rust; that tank you got for the CB?

Anyway, I’ve tried a bunch of things and products, but tell me more about what you’re dealing with.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 07:23:08 PM »

It's the CB200T tank for the CB360. I remember reading about some kind of rig with power and an anode, but space is limited in there. I also remember reading about a solution at Home Depot that can be bought that will eat it out of there. My research is all foggy as it's been many months since I visited the topic.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 08:09:29 PM »

Okay, that’s the one I thought you were going to say needed a cleaning. Older tanks need to get thoroughly cleaned out as part of the restoration process. Even if that dude hadn't misrep'd, you might have still wanted to do this.

The stuff for older tanks is Kreem. There are a couple other treatment kits out there, but I’ve used Kreem half a dozen times and it’s worked perfectly each time. It’s a two or three step process:

The first is an acidic treatment. You have to mix it with water (about two gallons) and it’s strong as shit. Wicked fumes and throws off pressure, so you want to seal the tank well and do not fill the tank; go half or even a third full for this stuff or it’ll blow out whatever you’ve got plugging the fill and petcock holes. Also, it will eat up any rubber gaskets, so you need to find something to plug the holes. Since it’s an older tank, drop in a dozen or so bolts to slosh around with the acid mix to knock off any flakes. Alternatively, I’ve used muriatic acid, which you can get at Pinch-a-Penny; same stuff that goes in the pool. It’s not as strong as the acid in Kreem though and I once had to leave it in overnight. The Kreem acid works in minutes. You'll hear it sizzling in there.

The second is the etch. The etch coat goes in right after the acid is flushed out with a high pressure hose, and seals the metal from further rust. This step needs to happen fast, because the inside of the tank will flash rust if it doesn’t get etched quickly. Trust me on this; it’s got to happen like immediately. Drain the water out…pour the etch in and slosh it around quickly. If it does flash rust on you, don’t worry about it, just start over. Both the acid mix in step one and the etch can be used about half a dozen times, so don’t toss it until you’re totally satisfied that you got the rust out and have it properly etched. If you go the muriatic route, you still need to etch. Autozone has this stuff called Rust Bandit that does the job.

The third step is the coating or liner. Its white goo that you slosh around inside the tank and it dries hard. You need to make a decision to use this stuff. You may not have to. Generally, it’s a good idea to use on older, rusted tanks because it’s a solid liner. It takes care of any pinholes, or potential pinholes, and firms up the tank if you flushed a ton of rust out. Your call; this is one messy freaking step. I don’t even know how to describe this stuff except it’s close to Fluffer-Nutter  Wink and just about that consistency. Honestly, I try and avoid it, but if you think the tank needs it then go with it.

Overall, this process is going to destroy the paint on the outside of the tank. The instructions guide you on how to avoid that, but I’m telling you…you can’t. So hopefully you haven’t put any paint on the tank yet. If you did, you’re repainting.

Cycle Gear has Kreem on the shelf for $40, for the three stage kit. You can get the acid and etch separately if you don’t want to go the liner route, or you can do the muriatic and Rust Bandit Route, which is a little more effort on the cleaning side.



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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 12:32:10 AM »

Ive had great luck with the electrolysis method, when done properly it'll take it back to bare steel ready to be relined and the upside is all you need is a battery charger and some washing soda.


the basic idea, the process works line of sight so make sure your wire extends to the back of the tank, also make sure it doesn't have any coatings on it or you'll end up with whatever it is loosely plating your tank walls and requiring more cleaning. I made the mistake once with using a galvanized bucket as the sacrificial anode once Tongue messy messy.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 04:33:08 AM »


Ive had great luck with the electrolysis method.


This is a new one to me, but I do restorations and am interested in new techniques, especially if they’re easy and less messy. I can’t follow the diagram very well. Can you run through a step by step?

Also, how long does the process take?
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 08:48:39 AM »

That's the electric rig I was trying to think of the other day. I was reading about it yesterday on another site that had steps for it, but I can't find it now. Was it baking soda that's used?

Zep is the cleaning product that Home Depot sells that is supposed to eat rust. I have no idea if it works. Red-Cote is another coating similar to Kreem that I've seen works well.

I remember my brother buying a CB550 tank that had a Kreem liner in it that wasn't treated right before installation. The whole liner came out in a big blob because it stuck to the rust and not the tank!
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 09:14:55 AM »

I remember my brother buying a CB550 tank that had a Kreem liner in it that wasn't treated right before installation. The whole liner came out in a big blob because it stuck to the rust and not the tank!

I can see that happening if the first two steps weren't done properly. That's why I was saying that if you don't think you've got the tank cleaned and etched, or there's any flash rust, just start over. More important, to go the liner route and have what you just described happen would be insult to injury...best to avoid that liner if you can.

btw...can you not envision some birdbrain with a small leak in his tank using just the liner goo? I can.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 12:33:41 PM »


Ive had great luck with the electrolysis method.



This is a new one to me, but I do restorations and am interested in new techniques, especially if they’re easy and less messy. I can’t follow the diagram very well. Can you run through a step by step?

Also, how long does the process take?


Heres a great guide on the process http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolysis.pdf they warn against stainless but others stand by it, the process can take from a few hours to overnight, you really cant leave it in there too long on accident since it only seems to go after the rust, I've cleaned rusted parts and pulled them out to find original paint hidden under what came off. It also seems to be pretty decent at freeing up seized bolts as well. The other nice thing about it is that you can scale it up as much as you like really, you could do a whole car if you made a tub big enough to hold it.

If you do it make sure and take pictures, the solution can turn into a bunch of surprisingly nasty looking things. I've had it turn green and form a thick layer of jelly on the surface once haha.






Also baking soda works just fine too, I haven't tried washing soda, I guess its a bit stronger but you should be able to get it at ace hardware or publix.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 12:59:40 PM »

Thanks. I'll have to test this out on something rusty.  Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 08:59:12 AM »

I've heard that putting some steel ball bearings in the tank and shaking it around will get rid of most of the heavy surface rust, for the chemical cleaners to have better luck on the rest of it.

Another guy had the clever idea of hooking one end of a length of chain to the connector for the gas cap and putting the rest of the chain inside the tank. Shake it around and the chain gets a lot of the rust out and you can remove it more easily than ball bearings.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 02:26:51 PM »

I think that chain idea is a good idea. I use nuts and bolts, but a chain would seem to do a more efficient and faster job. Thanks...that's a good tip.
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