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« on: September 26, 2008, 09:50:09 AM »

Attached for your convenience is a Bill of Sale form. Also, a useful link for searching VIN numbers to indicate if a motor vehicle has been reported stolen and another link for lein holder information.

http://www.atvflorida.com/files/billofsale.pdf

http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item/displayVehicleSearch.a

https://www6.hsmv.state.fl.us/rrdmvcheck/mvcheckinq



Use at your own risk! No warranties expressed, written or implied. BikerFlorida.com is not responsible for the use of the Bill of Sale form. To be safe, call your local police department to check a VIN#, too. We don't know how quickly the above links are updated.
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2009, 07:01:28 PM »

I see a lot of posts on Craigs List for motorcycles that say title is lost or no title.
How (if at all) can a buyer get a new title?
If you have, please share the info.
Thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2009, 07:40:00 PM »

Hi Squid. Welcome to the Forum!

The rules are fairly extensive and complicated. We’ve got members on the Forum that have a lot of experience titling motorcycles (both on and off road), but it would be helpful to have some specifics to go on. Every situation is different. Do you have a specific situation?

If it’s just general discussion about what you’re seeing on Craiglist, I’ve got a lot of thoughts on that business, too.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2009, 08:45:49 PM »

It seems to me that a few show up on craigslist and for whatever reason the seller doesn't appear to be motivated to file with the state for their lost title.

To be more specific, there is a 1991 Honda Nighthawk 250 project bike, I wrote to the seller asking for more info and the VIN so I could research the exact model. The only response I get is... moving must sell quickly. So it could be legit or it could be stolen. If I had the VIN, I would use the links to check with the state saving me the time and hassle of that headache.

This summer I looked at a dozen motorcycles and most were being sold by people who didn't know a whole lot about the history. For example, this was my ex's and when I made him move out he never came back for the bike, oh but it ran great 3 years ago, title... hmmm, I don't know where that is. Well you get the idea.
 
So at this point, I'm looking for general info for a future purchase. Most likely it would be late 70's to mid 80's Honda for a bobber or cafe racer project. And now that the fees just increased Sept 1st, I know it will cost more to title/register even when I have a clean title in hand.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 10:24:36 AM »

Well, I’ll be willing to bet that those sellers that don’t have a title are more lazy or badly-informed than they are crooks. I’m not a lawyer, so take this for what it’s worth, but it’s fairly clear that titles are required in Florida and you’d certainly need one to register with the MV Department. If the seller can’t produce a title in his name, there’s no way to proceed, unless the bike was never titled which is unlikely for street bikes.

Getting a lost, stolen or damaged title replaced is a form and a $30 check to the county tax collector, but it’s the owner's (in this case Seller’s) responsibility to do that. Selling one’s ex’s bike because they abandoned it? Well, that’s probably not hers to sell in the first place and she’s probably found that out by now.

I’ve got some recent experience with those out of state title outfits that you can read a little about in the Thumper thread. Those folks wouldn’t be useful if the vehicle has been previously titled in Florida. The first thing they do is look on the State database (the third link in Bone’s email above) and see if the vehicle is on record. If it is, they say there’s nothing they can do to get a title in your name, even in another state! They’re only good if the vehicle was never titled or to transfer a properly titled vehicle from one state to another, as an “out of state” non-resident.

I guess what I’m saying is it’s best to just stay clear of someone that has stories or excuses about not having a title. They probably are plain and simple ill-informed, but if you take possession and pay up, there may be no way to ever get the bike on the road.

Hope that helps a little.

Bone’s, Bags, do you have any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2009, 10:56:39 AM »

Yep, I was writhing this at the same time, lol.

Some people are lazy and just don't care about the bike they are selling. If a bike has no title and it's over 15 years old, it's probably just lost and not stolen. Especially if you can tell it has been sitting around awhile. But, I would always run the VIN # with the above links or, as I've done in the past, just call the local police department and ask them to run it. It worked for me once.

A no title bike should be CHEAP. Because it's just a pile of bolted together parts when being sold. You are going to have to all the work to title it. Also, just because it has a title, doesn't mean it's free and clear either. Just about all the fixer uppers I have bought that did have a title, most were in a different name other than the seller. In this case, I make the seller fill out the bill of sale in that titled name so I won't have any problems at the DMV. That's probably not the right thing to do, but the DMV is so damn picky here in Florida that I'm just trying to avoid any hassles.

For newer bikes, if the seller has a title, it could also have a lien. How could that be? Well, last summer I got screwed buy a guy who lives just down the street from me. I bought an '06 LRT450R Suzuki quad for $3800. He had the title, not in his name of course, so I thought I could do what I had did before when transferring the title. Not the case, as this bike was repossessed and sold at auction. Then sold to my neighbor. The bank, GE Money, didn't file the proper paperwork with the state of Florida so the lien wasn't released. I had notarized documents stating the lien was released but wasn't good enough. I never should have bought this one since it was a high dollar sale. The bike was awesome, but I really felt sour about the whole thing. I sold it a few months later with no title and a $900 loss to a freestyler who didn't care about a title since he rides on private land.

I have bought 4 bikes that had no titles, a CM200T, CB550, VT500C and an ST90. They were all cheap at $100, $100, $300 & $100. I used a title service called International Title Service, http://www.its-titles.com. I know for a fact that the CB550 was titled in Florida before and was sold to me by Jason Funk, who was working for Brandon Honda and talked an old guy out of fixing it and sold it to him cheap and under the table, he would soon later murder an insurance agent and is now sentenced to life in jail, but that's another story. http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/24/Hillsborough/Killer_of_insurance_a.shtml

I had no problems at all using the title service on all four bikes. The older the bike, the easier and cheaper it is to use. Aside from knowing somebody in a state that doesn't require titles for old bikes, this is the only way to go. You sell it to them, they sell it back to you from another state. Take the paperwork to the DMV, done.

I know this is a long post, but those are my experiences.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 12:35:34 PM »

Oh wow, those are some experiences!  Glad to see it is possible to jump through the hoops once you know how to start.
Thanks for all the info and next time I see an old one I like I just might do a little more research before I pass it off as a parts only project bike.
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